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Forza del Destino
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babbo
2012-02-26 22:11:53 UTC
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Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.

Thanks.

Pete
Bob M.
2012-02-27 19:07:59 UTC
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Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.

HTH,
Bob
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
2012-02-27 19:18:33 UTC
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Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available? There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there. I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
Stephen Jay-Taylor
2012-02-28 01:38:37 UTC
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On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available?  There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there.  I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?

SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Dorme Riposa
2012-02-28 09:16:11 UTC
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Post by Stephen Jay-Taylor
On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available?  There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there.  I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
The monnaie archives say Melitone:

http://carmen.demunt.be/pls/carmen/carmen.cstart2?t=3&id=-1&sid=-1

Welcome back, SJT!

dav
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
2012-02-28 21:16:54 UTC
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On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
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Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available? There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there. I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
premiereopera@aol.com
2012-02-28 22:47:16 UTC
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On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
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On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available?  There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there.  I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
But Guardiano is a real basso profondo role, and I don't think Van Dam
could sing it. Too many low F's.

Ed
wagnerfan
2012-02-28 23:04:08 UTC
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On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available?  There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there.  I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
But Guardiano is a real basso profondo role, and I don't think Van Dam
could sing it. Too many low F's.
Ed
That was the problem with his Sarastro as well - the voice has to be
able to "sit" comfortable on those low notes. Wagner Fan
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
2012-03-01 20:40:45 UTC
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On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
But Guardiano is a real basso profondo role, and I don't think Van Dam
could sing it. Too many low F's.
Ed
That was the problem with his Sarastro as well - the voice has to be
able to "sit" comfortable on those low notes. Wagner Fan
That was early in his career, when he was being too much influenced by
von Karian, who engaged him for the Berlin opera house. (He later
expressed regret - he's one singer who has always recognized both his
strengths and his limitations.)
CHSIII
2012-03-01 16:02:25 UTC
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Melitone's tessitura is rather high, reaching (in declamato) even to High G
and F# and several F's, but the lines are more buffo and less legato than
Guardiano.

Guardiano is the more profondo role, although the role also reaches up to
F#.

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On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
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On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available? There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there. I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
But Guardiano is a real basso profondo role, and I don't think Van Dam
could sing it. Too many low F's.

Ed
premiereopera@aol.com
2012-03-01 20:13:14 UTC
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Post by CHSIII
Melitone's tessitura is rather high, reaching (in declamato) even to High G
and F# and several F's, but the lines are more buffo and less legato than
Guardiano.
Guardiano is the more profondo role, although the role also reaches up to
F#.
On Feb 28, 4:16 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
On Feb 27, 7:18 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
Post by Bob M.
Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
There was an entire run of performances in June of 2008.
HTH,
Bob
Any DVD's of it available?  There are so few commercial VCR and DVD
performances of Van Dam out there.  I have them all, plus as many
"pirates" as I've been able to find, but I am no longer traveling, so
had to miss seeing the Brussels "Forza" live, and would dearly love to
see what he did with the minor role.
What was he, Padre Guardiano or Melitone? Or Papa Calatrava?
SJT, from a city where Forza is thought of as an abomination, and is
theatrically cursed to boot.
Melitone, which was why I was surprised he was doing it - Padre
Guardiano is the larger role.
But Guardiano is a real basso profondo role, and I don't think Van Dam
could sing it. Too many low F's.
Ed
Yes, but Guardiano's two F#'s are with the full chorus duplicating him
as he sings. You can usually never hear Guardiano here, and, in fact,
in the score there is an option to sing these two notes an octove
lower. I have seen many bassos somply note sing these notes at all. On
recordings, Siepi is the loudest on these high notes, or he was placed
closest to the mikes!! The highest sustained note for Guardiano is an
E natural, which is repeated many times in the Convent Scene, and even
here, the final note of the big duet with the soprano is an E natural
that most bassos sing, but is not written at all. It is written an
octove lower, also.

Ed
gggg gggg
2023-08-14 03:09:32 UTC
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Post by babbo
Looking for performance date "La Forza Del Destino" with Westbroeck,
Todovorich, Van Dam - Brussels Conductor: Ono.
Thanks.
Pete
(2023 Youtube upload):

"Legendary "La Forza del Destino" (26/04/1955, La Scala) - Tebaldi, di Stefano, Protti, Modesti"
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