Discussion:
Fritz Wunderlich's death
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b***@gmail.com
2014-05-10 02:14:06 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
Please go to this site!

b***@gmail.com
2014-05-10 02:18:16 UTC
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http://youtu.be/AOWnWVXjVBg
m***@asgardpublishing.co.uk
2014-09-18 01:28:01 UTC
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Just came across this ancient and quite incredible sequence of rumour-mongering. Couldn't resist putting a word in, just in case some jerk is still spouting such crap, ignoring the most inescapable realities. Do they imagine Wunderlich died in the 19th century, with all this malicious bullshit about cover-ups, sworn secrets etc.? That comes out of cheesy old novels. Do they imagine deaths don't have to be accounted for in Europe these days? Especially the death of anybody that famous? There are always hospital reports, autopsies and god knows what other legal formalities, in Germany more than anywhere. It was the stairs, a fall, nothing more.

And I've seen the stairs in question. They're not short, they're old-fashioned back stairs, narrow and steep and all too easy to fall down and brain yourself. I believe they're shown in the documentary "Fritz Wunderlich: Life & Legend". A melancholy sight, made all the worse by the climate of bullshit surrounding them.

Mike
Willem
2014-09-18 08:18:54 UTC
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Post by m***@asgardpublishing.co.uk
Just came across this ancient and quite incredible sequence of rumour-mongering. Couldn't resist putting a word in, just in case some jerk is still spouting such crap, ignoring the most inescapable realities. Do they imagine Wunderlich died in the 19th century, with all this malicious bullshit about cover-ups, sworn secrets etc.? That comes out of cheesy old novels. Do they imagine deaths don't have to be accounted for in Europe these days? Especially the death of anybody that famous? There are always hospital reports, autopsies and god knows what other legal formalities, in Germany more than anywhere. It was the stairs, a fall, nothing more.
And I've seen the stairs in question. They're not short, they're old-fashioned back stairs, narrow and steep and all too easy to fall down and brain yourself. I believe they're shown in the documentary "Fritz Wunderlich: Life & Legend". A melancholy sight, made all the worse by the climate of bullshit surrounding them.
Mike
Exactly right - a friend of mine was actually interning at the hospital when they brought in Wunderlich - it was a head injury with internal hemorrhage - a terrible freak accident. No conspiracies, no jealous husband, no falling down drunk ( he had some beers that's all). One of the really great musical tragedies of the last century.
t***@gmail.com
2014-12-29 02:01:57 UTC
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I spoke with Hermann Prey about 20 years ago and broached the subject of the death. He told me that the two of them were in the lodge together and that Wunderlich was going down the stairs in the dark, reached for the rope rail and missed. He then careened down the stairs in the accident that caused his death. Prey would get very upset at allegations of drunkenness or other such rumors.
m***@gmail.com
2015-11-03 11:16:14 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany>
A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a "book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some really
Fritzy
Synopsis
Doris Ross, an insurance claims adjuster, lives with her husband,Ron, in Los
Angeles. Both are amateur musicians. Ron, an avid record collector and
musicologist, reads of Fritz's death and mentions it to Doris. She, being
unfamiliar with the name, places little importance on the information, but
for some reason the name sticks in her mind. Shortly after hearing of his
death she sees one of his recordings and impulsively buys it, even though
she doesn't particularly like tenors--especially ones unknown to her.
Upon playing the record and hearing this man's glorious voice she begins to
feel depression, which is quite foreign to her practical, positive nature.
She is in love, really in love--with a man she has never, and now will never
meet.
By use of a Ouija board, first with a friend, then alone, she makes contact
with an entity who claims to be Fritz's spirit. He is a friendly, riotously
funny ghost, joking around in both English and German. Doris doesn't know
German and has to buy a German dictionary to translate.
When Doris can't find a partner for the Ouija board she attempts it alone.
Soon her hands are being pulled from letter to letter, and she and Fritz are
having a lively conversation. He admits he need shelp, which she agrees to
give him whatever it takes. During her next solo sitting she learns it could
take her life.
Now convinced that the entity she has been communicating with is not
Fritz--instead, something grossly evil which is bent on destroying her, she
begins to feel chills , a burning sensation throughout her body, and a
"fuzziness" in the back of her head. A male voice shouts inside her mind.
She is terrified and hopeless. Ron can't help her. Psychiatrists who "don't
believe in that stuff" can't help her either.
Finally with the help of a friend, a medical doctor who plays chamber music
with the Rosses, Doris regains her ability to function--and along with it,
her desire to resume communication with Fritz.
Always a hard-core skeptic, Doris wavers between doubt and belief. If
Fritz's personality has survived the death of his body, she wants to help
him by releasing him from his earthbound condition. But, she also wants to
hold onto him, as her love for him has now become the most solid thing in
her life.
Through subsequent communications with Doris and others by Ouija board,
automatic writing, and later, direct thought transference, Fritz makes his
"confession". He describes his life on Earth as it really was--shabby and
sordid beneath the glitter of international fame; and presents a true
picture of himself--of the loneliness, frustration and guilt lurking behind
his protective facade--that of the typical "vain tenor".
This extraordinary love affair between the living and the so-called dead
continues for nearly ten years, and Doris still cannot verify all that Fritz
has told her about himself. She has a husband, a career, and a life to
attend to. She can't continue living in two worlds, and Fritz must advance
to a higher spiritual plane. Sorrowful but determined, she breaks off
communication with the only man she has ever truly loved.
The story could end here. There has been conflict and resolution. Lives have
been changed, for the better, we presume. But Fritz will not stay buried.
Early in 1977, eleven years after his death, Fritz makes a comeback--he's
bigger, better and stronger than ever! He speaks directly into Doris's mind,
promising to make her life so exciting that she will never think of leaving
him again.
As predicted, 1977 becomes a year of accelerated psychic activity. Fritzy's
newly-acquired power enables him to channel through many people associated
with Doris to convince her of his continued existence. He even attempts to
take over the body of a long-time friend of the Rosses in order to make love
to Doris "in the flesh".
Toward the end of the year Fritz furnishes fresh material concerning his
death, implying it may not have been accidental after all.
By "coincidence" an old acquaintance of the Rosses is brought back into
their lives, just long enough to allow Fritz to speak though him while in a
hypnotically-induced trance--and to introduce Doris to the hypnotist. As a
result, Doris begins working with the hypnotist who, by raising her
vibratory rate, puts her into contact with an alchemist from the 18th
Century--the enigmatic Count St. Germain. The Count welcomes Doris as a
disciple of his New Age teachings. Fritz also becomes a disciple of St.
Germain--the only teacher he has ever accepted.
Although Fritz has been reborn on a higher spiritual plane, Doris, through
St. Germain, is now given the opportunity to verify Fritz's story. She is
led to people who knew about Fritz, and they confirm all he has told her.
Her remaining task is that of assisting Fritz in making his final confession
by telling his story to the world. She will them be free to follow St.
Germain in his all-out campaign for the enlightenment of mankind. END OF
SYNOPSIS
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
Non-sense.
c***@gmail.com
2016-03-13 21:01:51 UTC
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A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a
"book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches
on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some
really
Synopsis..................<snipped>
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the
juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
WHAT AN OPERA THIS WOULD MAKE!
Bits of Baby Doe, Peter Ibbetson, Turn of the Screw, Semele....
And to hear Wunderlich sing it ....!
In what popular opera is the Comte de St. Germain mentioned, as the source
of the characters' supernatural troubles?
(He was a renowned charlatan in an era famous for them. In the late 20th
century, though, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, the heresiarch from Montana who
had all her followers give her their life savings so that she could build a
vast fallout shelter for them in anticipation of World War III, c. 1994, AND
THEN DID IT WITH THE MONEY, claimed to be receiving a mystic interpretation
of Christianity directly from Saint Germain, whose portrait hung in the home
of friends of mine who succumbed to these teachings.)
The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Hans Lick
Frick would never have sung Loge. Wrong voice type. And Bass jealous of tenor's legato? Ridiculous!
Willem
2016-03-13 23:23:26 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a
"book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches
on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some
really
Synopsis..................<snipped>
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the
juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
WHAT AN OPERA THIS WOULD MAKE!
Bits of Baby Doe, Peter Ibbetson, Turn of the Screw, Semele....
And to hear Wunderlich sing it ....!
In what popular opera is the Comte de St. Germain mentioned, as the source
of the characters' supernatural troubles?
(He was a renowned charlatan in an era famous for them. In the late 20th
century, though, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, the heresiarch from Montana who
had all her followers give her their life savings so that she could build a
vast fallout shelter for them in anticipation of World War III, c. 1994, AND
THEN DID IT WITH THE MONEY, claimed to be receiving a mystic interpretation
of Christianity directly from Saint Germain, whose portrait hung in the home
of friends of mine who succumbed to these teachings.)
The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Hans Lick
Frick would never have sung Loge. Wrong voice type. And Bass jealous of tenor's legato? Ridiculous!
The same stupid ridiculous story gets reposted frequently by the mentally challenged
t***@gmail.com
2016-09-06 06:51:01 UTC
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A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a
"book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches
on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some
really
Synopsis..................<snipped>
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the
juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
WHAT AN OPERA THIS WOULD MAKE!
Bits of Baby Doe, Peter Ibbetson, Turn of the Screw, Semele....
And to hear Wunderlich sing it ....!
In what popular opera is the Comte de St. Germain mentioned, as the source
of the characters' supernatural troubles?
(He was a renowned charlatan in an era famous for them. In the late 20th
century, though, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, the heresiarch from Montana who
had all her followers give her their life savings so that she could build a
vast fallout shelter for them in anticipation of World War III, c. 1994, AND
THEN DID IT WITH THE MONEY, claimed to be receiving a mystic interpretation
of Christianity directly from Saint Germain, whose portrait hung in the home
of friends of mine who succumbed to these teachings.)
The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Hans Lick
Did you say "Frick sang Loge"??? Not possible. Frick could no more sing Loge than he could sing Freia, and for similar reasons.
b***@gmail.com
2017-02-16 05:34:05 UTC
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The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Did Frick sing Loge in falsetto?
Obviously false, Loge is a tenor role, Frick deep basso.
The story I heard was that they were all drunk at the party and some practical
joker tied Wunderlich's shoelaces together. He fell when he got up to go to the
bathroom.
JRL
Lili Stojanov
2017-04-30 03:03:43 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany>
A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a "book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some really
Fritzy
Synopsis
Doris Ross, an insurance claims adjuster, lives with her husband,Ron, in Los
Angeles. Both are amateur musicians. Ron, an avid record collector and
musicologist, reads of Fritz's death and mentions it to Doris. She, being
unfamiliar with the name, places little importance on the information, but
for some reason the name sticks in her mind. Shortly after hearing of his
death she sees one of his recordings and impulsively buys it, even though
she doesn't particularly like tenors--especially ones unknown to her.
Upon playing the record and hearing this man's glorious voice she begins to
feel depression, which is quite foreign to her practical, positive nature.
She is in love, really in love--with a man she has never, and now will never
meet.
By use of a Ouija board, first with a friend, then alone, she makes contact
with an entity who claims to be Fritz's spirit. He is a friendly, riotously
funny ghost, joking around in both English and German. Doris doesn't know
German and has to buy a German dictionary to translate.
When Doris can't find a partner for the Ouija board she attempts it alone.
Soon her hands are being pulled from letter to letter, and she and Fritz are
having a lively conversation. He admits he need shelp, which she agrees to
give him whatever it takes. During her next solo sitting she learns it could
take her life.
Now convinced that the entity she has been communicating with is not
Fritz--instead, something grossly evil which is bent on destroying her, she
begins to feel chills , a burning sensation throughout her body, and a
"fuzziness" in the back of her head. A male voice shouts inside her mind.
She is terrified and hopeless. Ron can't help her. Psychiatrists who "don't
believe in that stuff" can't help her either.
Finally with the help of a friend, a medical doctor who plays chamber music
with the Rosses, Doris regains her ability to function--and along with it,
her desire to resume communication with Fritz.
Always a hard-core skeptic, Doris wavers between doubt and belief. If
Fritz's personality has survived the death of his body, she wants to help
him by releasing him from his earthbound condition. But, she also wants to
hold onto him, as her love for him has now become the most solid thing in
her life.
Through subsequent communications with Doris and others by Ouija board,
automatic writing, and later, direct thought transference, Fritz makes his
"confession". He describes his life on Earth as it really was--shabby and
sordid beneath the glitter of international fame; and presents a true
picture of himself--of the loneliness, frustration and guilt lurking behind
his protective facade--that of the typical "vain tenor".
This extraordinary love affair between the living and the so-called dead
continues for nearly ten years, and Doris still cannot verify all that Fritz
has told her about himself. She has a husband, a career, and a life to
attend to. She can't continue living in two worlds, and Fritz must advance
to a higher spiritual plane. Sorrowful but determined, she breaks off
communication with the only man she has ever truly loved.
The story could end here. There has been conflict and resolution. Lives have
been changed, for the better, we presume. But Fritz will not stay buried.
Early in 1977, eleven years after his death, Fritz makes a comeback--he's
bigger, better and stronger than ever! He speaks directly into Doris's mind,
promising to make her life so exciting that she will never think of leaving
him again.
As predicted, 1977 becomes a year of accelerated psychic activity. Fritzy's
newly-acquired power enables him to channel through many people associated
with Doris to convince her of his continued existence. He even attempts to
take over the body of a long-time friend of the Rosses in order to make love
to Doris "in the flesh".
Toward the end of the year Fritz furnishes fresh material concerning his
death, implying it may not have been accidental after all.
By "coincidence" an old acquaintance of the Rosses is brought back into
their lives, just long enough to allow Fritz to speak though him while in a
hypnotically-induced trance--and to introduce Doris to the hypnotist. As a
result, Doris begins working with the hypnotist who, by raising her
vibratory rate, puts her into contact with an alchemist from the 18th
Century--the enigmatic Count St. Germain. The Count welcomes Doris as a
disciple of his New Age teachings. Fritz also becomes a disciple of St.
Germain--the only teacher he has ever accepted.
Although Fritz has been reborn on a higher spiritual plane, Doris, through
St. Germain, is now given the opportunity to verify Fritz's story. She is
led to people who knew about Fritz, and they confirm all he has told her.
Her remaining task is that of assisting Fritz in making his final confession
by telling his story to the world. She will them be free to follow St.
Germain in his all-out campaign for the enlightenment of mankind. END OF
SYNOPSIS
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
Hello, this sounds so bizarre I would like to read it?

Is it still available anywhere and/or do you have a copy? The site appears to have been taken down.
d***@gmx.de
2017-05-16 08:31:22 UTC
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Post by Lili Stojanov
I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany>
A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a "book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some really
Fritzy
Synopsis
Doris Ross, an insurance claims adjuster, lives with her husband,Ron, in Los
Angeles. Both are amateur musicians. Ron, an avid record collector and
musicologist, reads of Fritz's death and mentions it to Doris. She, being
unfamiliar with the name, places little importance on the information, but
for some reason the name sticks in her mind. Shortly after hearing of his
death she sees one of his recordings and impulsively buys it, even though
she doesn't particularly like tenors--especially ones unknown to her.
Upon playing the record and hearing this man's glorious voice she begins to
feel depression, which is quite foreign to her practical, positive nature.
She is in love, really in love--with a man she has never, and now will never
meet.
By use of a Ouija board, first with a friend, then alone, she makes contact
with an entity who claims to be Fritz's spirit. He is a friendly, riotously
funny ghost, joking around in both English and German. Doris doesn't know
German and has to buy a German dictionary to translate.
When Doris can't find a partner for the Ouija board she attempts it alone.
Soon her hands are being pulled from letter to letter, and she and Fritz are
having a lively conversation. He admits he need shelp, which she agrees to
give him whatever it takes. During her next solo sitting she learns it could
take her life.
Now convinced that the entity she has been communicating with is not
Fritz--instead, something grossly evil which is bent on destroying her, she
begins to feel chills , a burning sensation throughout her body, and a
"fuzziness" in the back of her head. A male voice shouts inside her mind.
She is terrified and hopeless. Ron can't help her. Psychiatrists who "don't
believe in that stuff" can't help her either.
Finally with the help of a friend, a medical doctor who plays chamber music
with the Rosses, Doris regains her ability to function--and along with it,
her desire to resume communication with Fritz.
Always a hard-core skeptic, Doris wavers between doubt and belief. If
Fritz's personality has survived the death of his body, she wants to help
him by releasing him from his earthbound condition. But, she also wants to
hold onto him, as her love for him has now become the most solid thing in
her life.
Through subsequent communications with Doris and others by Ouija board,
automatic writing, and later, direct thought transference, Fritz makes his
"confession". He describes his life on Earth as it really was--shabby and
sordid beneath the glitter of international fame; and presents a true
picture of himself--of the loneliness, frustration and guilt lurking behind
his protective facade--that of the typical "vain tenor".
This extraordinary love affair between the living and the so-called dead
continues for nearly ten years, and Doris still cannot verify all that Fritz
has told her about himself. She has a husband, a career, and a life to
attend to. She can't continue living in two worlds, and Fritz must advance
to a higher spiritual plane. Sorrowful but determined, she breaks off
communication with the only man she has ever truly loved.
The story could end here. There has been conflict and resolution. Lives have
been changed, for the better, we presume. But Fritz will not stay buried.
Early in 1977, eleven years after his death, Fritz makes a comeback--he's
bigger, better and stronger than ever! He speaks directly into Doris's mind,
promising to make her life so exciting that she will never think of leaving
him again.
As predicted, 1977 becomes a year of accelerated psychic activity. Fritzy's
newly-acquired power enables him to channel through many people associated
with Doris to convince her of his continued existence. He even attempts to
take over the body of a long-time friend of the Rosses in order to make love
to Doris "in the flesh".
Toward the end of the year Fritz furnishes fresh material concerning his
death, implying it may not have been accidental after all.
By "coincidence" an old acquaintance of the Rosses is brought back into
their lives, just long enough to allow Fritz to speak though him while in a
hypnotically-induced trance--and to introduce Doris to the hypnotist. As a
result, Doris begins working with the hypnotist who, by raising her
vibratory rate, puts her into contact with an alchemist from the 18th
Century--the enigmatic Count St. Germain. The Count welcomes Doris as a
disciple of his New Age teachings. Fritz also becomes a disciple of St.
Germain--the only teacher he has ever accepted.
Although Fritz has been reborn on a higher spiritual plane, Doris, through
St. Germain, is now given the opportunity to verify Fritz's story. She is
led to people who knew about Fritz, and they confirm all he has told her.
Her remaining task is that of assisting Fritz in making his final confession
by telling his story to the world. She will them be free to follow St.
Germain in his all-out campaign for the enlightenment of mankind. END OF
SYNOPSIS
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
Hello, this sounds so bizarre I would like to read it?
Is it still available anywhere and/or do you have a copy? The site appears to have been taken down.
Oh dear... the stuff on this site is incredible, rumours are flourishing. I'm glad there are some reasonable people- further more, people who know facts.
I have read a lot about FW, and for me, one thing is clear: he has had a happy and fulfilled life. Of course he's had his own deamons and traumata, like almost everyone. He was afraid of being alone, often he felt driven. But to claim that his life would have been "shabby and sordid" is nonsense. He has been surrounded by people who loved him. He was very charismatic, but there's no reason to invent bizarre stories of jealousy. He was sensitive and reasonable, too.
By the way, as a teen I tried to use a ouija-board, together with some other fellow pupils. This is gross, it can leed to psychic instability. The "contacs" we got were really rude. They can claim to be anybody. If you are clever, you stay away from such "spirits".
h***@gmail.com
2017-06-06 21:56:03 UTC
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Since I am one of the only people in this horrible conversation who does know the true facts I thank you for your comment.
Mystica
2017-11-03 18:08:42 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
This sounds far removed, but I trust my source. I heard this from A who
heard it from B who heard it from C who was at the party at Gottlob
Frick's hunting lodge and felt eight years ago that enough time had
passed to tell the truth. Intoxicated, FW made a pass at Mme. Hotter.
Thereby, Mrs. Hotter's husband punched him, tripped over a garbage can
and fell down the slate steps. Apparently, all who were there, including
Prey, vowed they would never reveal the story as it would obciously
destroy the reputation of Mrs. Hotter's husband.
--
Donald Collup
http://www.collup.com
LOL .... Stille Post.
f***@gmail.com
2018-10-20 14:45:45 UTC
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The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Did Frick sing Loge in falsetto?
The story I heard was that they were all drunk at the party and some practical
joker tied Wunderlich's shoelaces together. He fell when he got up to go to the
bathroom.
JRL
then how did he get to the stairs? this is pure garbage.
dft
g***@gmail.com
2018-12-11 22:36:09 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
His greatest German recordings:

http://operawire.com/fritz-wunderlichs-greatest-german-recordings/
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2018-12-12 21:00:50 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
http://operawire.com/fritz-wunderlichs-greatest-german-recordings/
I thought I hated operetta until I listened to this:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=ZHYRXLLdKdDN_wTY5arwCg&q=fredericke+sailer+lp&oq=fredericke+sailer+lp&gs_l=img.3...44176.52594..52903...0.0..3.155.2519.17j9......2....1..gws-wiz-img.....0..0j35i39j0i67j0i30j0i10i30j0i24j0i10i24.CT89RD1lGlw#imgrc=fHjrQGlrpD9bbM:
g***@gmail.com
2019-02-24 04:13:41 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
(23 September 2017 radio program on Wunderlich):

http://lottelehmannleague.org/singing-sins-archive/
k***@gmail.com
2019-11-29 23:13:58 UTC
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I'm a little bit surprised, that obviously nobody mentioned another
theory about Wunderlich's death, which was told to me as a rumour from
a well-known south-american tenor a couple of years ago and which I've
found "confirmed" (whatever it could mean) by some "opera-insiders"
with contacts to former colleagues of F.W. According to that rumour he
had been quite a womanizer (if wanted it could be found between the
lines in some interviews, "most intensive life in every aspect") and a
jealous husband had "something to do" with the bizarre circumstances
of his death. Does anybody know more about this theory?
I'm just curious and it is of course not my intention to insult
anybody of F.W's family with that message.
H.Guenther, Germany
oh jeezis, more "insider" shit. an old friend who was also a tenor and a
student of the same woman who was wunderlich's teacher got the word the
folloewing day. wunderlich was an avid hunter and was on a short holiday
at a hunting lodge, had dinner, including a couple of beers, went off to
bed, was on a staircase, turned to say goopd night to a friend below,
had his hand on an iron rail attached to a stone wall, and the rail
pulled out of its mooring, and he fell and struck his head, fatally, on
the steps. never a whisper about womanizing, a husband or any other
crap. 36 years later, who's around to confirm it all? this all sounds
like oliver stone conspiracy shit. will it never end?
dft
This is exactly as I got it, Theories of someones death so many years later smack me like old wives tales. it is irritating.
Michael Tilley
2023-08-28 16:41:31 UTC
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I was involved with the Summit Lighthouse in my youth and no-one ever asked me to give my life savings. In fact, I offered to do so, and asked Elizabeth to tell me what to do with my 19 year old life and received a letter back stating that she would not do so, and that the process of free will choice of your life's path was essential in developing discernment and following the path of Christ, so I think you are full of something. Never heard of this Doris Russell, but ouija and all forms of psychicism were strictly verboten.

I believe the trivia question is Queen of Spades?
A Los Angeles "psychic" named Doris Russell (or Ross) has written a
"book"
about Wunderlich and her romance with him in his afterlife. She touches
on
the circumstances of his death. If you are in the mood to read some
really
Synopsis..................<snipped>
If you have read this far and can't live another day without all the
juicy
http://dorissimo.net/fritzy/
Ron Obvious
WHAT AN OPERA THIS WOULD MAKE!
Bits of Baby Doe, Peter Ibbetson, Turn of the Screw, Semele....
And to hear Wunderlich sing it ....!
In what popular opera is the Comte de St. Germain mentioned, as the source
of the characters' supernatural troubles?
(He was a renowned charlatan in an era famous for them. In the late 20th
century, though, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, the heresiarch from Montana who
had all her followers give her their life savings so that she could build a
vast fallout shelter for them in anticipation of World War III, c. 1994, AND
THEN DID IT WITH THE MONEY, claimed to be receiving a mystic interpretation
of Christianity directly from Saint Germain, whose portrait hung in the home
of friends of mine who succumbed to these teachings.)
The story I heard is that Gottlob Frick, overcome by jealousy of Fritz's
legato, got him drunk and shoved him down the stairs after dinner....
This was told me at a Chicago Symphony Rheingold at Carnegie Hall. Frick
sang Loge, and the story seemed perfectly believable in context.
Hans Lick
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